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Thread: I hate dimension door, what can i download....
Soth
Soth

Tavern Dweller
posted March 04, 2002 11:15 PM

I hate dimension door, what can i download....

Is there a way to play a map (random or not) without the use of some spells? Basically dimension door, fly and town portal. Is there a file i can download to do this? I'd apreciate the help....
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RMS
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posted March 04, 2002 11:54 PM

...in the map editor, just open up the map you want to play, and manually disable the spell/s you don't want in the map specifications. Better yet, if you want to make sure, you can go into each town, and completely disable all mage guilds as it is. It's up to you
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dragonsister
dragonsister

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posted March 05, 2002 07:58 AM

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...in the map editor, just open up the map you want to play, and manually disable the spell/s you don't want in the map specifications. Better yet, if you want to make sure, you can go into each town, and completely disable all mage guilds as it is. It's up to you


Bleh - better to use SoD's one-click spell disabling ... (okay, several clicks, one change ...) if only because you don't then learn the location of every town on the map.  Pity it isn't an option for AB or RoE.

There *are* quite a few maps around with Fly and DD disabled - it's routine in most of the highly-rated maps at AstralWizard.  Disabling of Town Portal is less common but also widespread.  Some maps mention this sort of thing in the attached readme files.

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thunderknight
thunderknight


Promising
Famous Hero
posted March 05, 2002 08:17 AM

Easy, if played against human, just mutually agreed
not to use these spells.

If play against AI, not need to worry, they are stupid
in spells.

You can just "disabled" these spells by not using them.
If you don't like them that much, resort to ways mentioned
by others above.
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Sir_Stiven
Sir_Stiven


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posted March 05, 2002 08:39 AM

Quote:
Easy, if played against human, just mutually agreed
not to use these spells.

If play against AI, not need to worry, they are stupid
in spells.

You can just "disabled" these spells by not using them.
If you don't like them that much, resort to ways mentioned
by others above.


So lets say that you get Fly in your only town which can build lvl 5 guild (which u offcourse cant use since u have a rule against it) and your opponent gets Implo in his. Isnt that kind of unfair? Id say that disable spells is a very useful option and should be used if the mapmaker thinks the map require it. Also beware of adding pyramids to map since u cant decide which lvl 5 spells that is possible to get from them.

You can also disable heroes&artifacts, lets say that u want to remove Fly spell and remove it from all mage guilds. Then there still are a possibility that u can get it from air tome so u must disable the air tome aswell. U do that by setting Air tome as a artifact quest and put the air tome artifact some place where no one can reach it. Same goes with other arts (angel wings for example). For disable heroes just put them in a prison where no one can reach them.

/Stefan
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thunderknight
thunderknight


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posted March 05, 2002 08:46 AM

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So lets say that you get Fly in your only town which can build lvl 5 guild (which u offcourse cant use since u have a rule against it) and your opponent gets Implo in his. Isnt that kind of unfair?
We call that luck.

Hmm, disable spells/heroes/artifacts/map locations are very
good ideas. In fact, in some well-designed maps e.g. Eternal Love and the Pride series, spells are handled very well.

Well, sometimes ppl are just lazy.
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god_boy
god_boy


Known Hero
posted April 13, 2002 03:35 PM

Question: Will the artifact spellbinder's hat still give you DD even though you have disabled it, like in the case of the tome of air magic?

Another question: If you disable a certain artifact, can the dragon utopia still give it to you?

Hmmm... here's something to mull over. Cheers.
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aculias
aculias


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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted April 14, 2002 02:39 AM

Yes spell binders hat gives you all 5th lv spells & no the utopia cant give you artifacts that is disabled but to be sure make a portion of land on the map where no one can get too & put all disabled artifacts there with a seers hut for each of them so they will already be in use but no one can get to it
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god_boy
god_boy


Known Hero
posted April 14, 2002 03:04 AM

In previous experience, I'v had more than one of the same artifact on a single scenario. Is this supposed to happen or is it a bug?
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Sir_Elric
Sir_Elric


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Having a bad hair day.
posted April 15, 2002 09:57 AM

Let's face it once you have town portal and expert earth the game is very easy from there on in!
Unless you play 1 minute turns or the like,,,,,,,,,,
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Aculias
Aculias


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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted April 15, 2002 10:01 AM

Town portal will help save time & in some ways chaining but not quite.
It just makes things easier on you but defanately does not garuntee a win.
When you say the game will be easy I dont know if you mean the game is in your hands for a sure win or if you mean that it just makes travling easier
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Sir_Elric
Sir_Elric


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Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
posted April 15, 2002 11:42 AM

Quote:
Town portal will help save time & in some ways chaining but not quite.
It just makes things easier on you but defanately does not garuntee a win.
When you say the game will be easy I dont know if you mean the game is in your hands for a sure win or if you mean that it just makes travling easier


I never said "guarantee" a win or "garuntee" for that matter lol.

But in my experience once I have Town Portal with Advanced/expert earth the game becomes a lot easier as you can just "pop" around the towns buying what you need and if you see someone approaching a castle "pop" in front of them after collecting the troops/spells you need or if they may be too strong at least buy everything and take it somewhere else.
I would have to say it's one of my personal non-combat favorites.

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god_boy
god_boy


Known Hero
posted April 15, 2002 03:55 PM

in previous experience, i've never had a no-win against the AI on med, L or XL maps when i've got townportal and advanced/expert earth magic, on any difficulty. The AI cannot take advantage of town portal properly when they have it so is greatly disadvangated.
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Soth
Soth

Tavern Dweller
posted April 15, 2002 04:07 PM

That's why i don't use town portal or DD or Fly when i play. It's a lot tougher and sometimes it takes 7-8 months in XL maps to really start expanding, which is great gameplay if u ask me.
The only thing that bothers me is that in the SOD editor i disable all these spells and then the earth, air tomes and the fly items, but still later on the comp player comes to me with DD. Then i discover that he had a DD spell scroll. Beats me where he got it...anyway it's still a lot better than before...

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