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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Titans through the Ages
Thread: Titans through the Ages
Milamber
Milamber


Adventuring Hero
Magician of the greater path
posted March 09, 2002 08:52 AM

Titans through the Ages

As you may or may have not noticed, I am a Titan lover(actually i'm new so you wouldn't)
But I was a bit disappointed when I purchased Heroes III, and saw how weak the Titans were compared to their Heroes II kin. In Heroes II, the Titan was a powerful foe for its level, and defeated even the strongest dragon at times. It was a marvellous period in Titan history.
Then, as i played Heroes III, and discovered the brutally dismal change. The Titan had become one to be shun by many 7th level creatures, including Black Dragons, Ancient Behemoths, and the new boys on the block, Arch Angels.

Now, in Heroes IV, they have become weaker still, having only 210 HP. havn't you people at 3DO done enough to make the titan weaker? I've seen Wesley stating his opinion on how Titans should be the strongest, I also agree with that statement. I think Titans should be put back up in the elite levels.
So, whats to come of this? Rate your creatures from Heroes II and III, and see how the creatures have changed. I think you'll find the Titan has gone lower in ratings than it once was.

Here are ratings:

Heroes II:
1st:Titans
2nd:Black Dragons
3rd:Bone Dragons
4thhoenix
5th:Cyclops
6th:Crusader

Heroes III:
1st:Archangels
2nd:Gold Dragons
3rd:Black Dragons
4th:Ancient Behomeths
5th:Arch Devils
6th:Titans
7th:Chaos Hydras
8th:Ghost Dragons

State your opinions on this thread.

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ShadowLord
ShadowLord


Promising
Famous Hero
of Dope
posted March 09, 2002 09:00 AM

I wish about that too...

Errr...Titans should be the strongest... Because they are titans... should stand for their name!
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Lith-Maethor
Lith-Maethor


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Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
posted March 09, 2002 09:03 AM

I know i'm getting offtopic here...

in Greek mythology, Titans were stronger than gods (at least the Olympians)... Dragons on the other way, were pets to some gods (usually Ares) ...of course, as Wesley said, NWC doesn't use "real" creatures for Heroes
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DVZ
DVZ


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posted March 09, 2002 01:46 PM

Titans are way overated in H2 and there's no doubt H2's Black Dragon will kill Titans every single time!

Titans look ugly in H4! They should have wielded their lightning bolt or something!

Poor Titans! :-(

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ShadowLord
ShadowLord


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of Dope
posted March 09, 2002 10:57 PM

Great point from Lith but NWC doesn't give a damn what the reality is!
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Fantusta
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who wishes he was high
posted March 10, 2002 01:46 AM

Yeah, 3D0 don't know how to do it businessly and NWC doesn't even know how to make the game work the ways we want it... ugh.
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Milamber
Milamber


Adventuring Hero
Magician of the greater path
posted March 10, 2002 01:57 AM

"Titans should be the strongest"

Yes, well, tjhat's what I would have hoped, but I don't think they will be recognized by the makers at 3DO and NWC. Although, even that they are weak in Heroes IV, that probably means they can't get any worse!

"Titans were stronger than gods"

Yes, I was actually about to mention that!
To bad there arent any Gods in the Heroes series, even though some have suggested it. Then we'll see how good their knowledge is!
Yes, Dragons are made too powerful, I think its a trend, and 3DO are too scared to change it.

"Titans look ugly in H4! They should have wielded their lightning bolt or something!"

Yes, my first thought of them was that they were actually Giants, not Titans, as they didn't have their famous lightning bolt in their hand.
They look like a large person with a bit of armour.

If dragons are so strong why does a hero control them! 'ahhhhh'

Oh, well, there is little we can change now.
But at least we can voice our opinions!
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Darion
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posted March 10, 2002 02:21 AM

I think that the titan should be more powerful, but perhaps it is to balance the range ability. Don't know if you took that into consideration.

However, not only does the titan's model suck, but it's attack also sucks. Gone is that massive gleaming lightning bolt that shredded the air around it.. and instead we get a puny lil mage's lightning bolt that softly lights up the area around it... get real NWC!!! Real men play with BIG lightning bolts... not small, stumpy, lightning bolts with omn lights.
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Milamber
Milamber


Adventuring Hero
Magician of the greater path
posted March 12, 2002 04:10 AM

'I think that the titan should be more powerful, but perhaps it is to balance the range ability. Don't know if you took that into consideration.'

No i didn't take that into consideration
and its a very valid point, but i still think that the titans have been crashing down level by level.


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Odvin
Odvin


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Famous Hero
posted March 13, 2002 12:31 PM

Titans were just great in HMM2, they were (and are) the only 6th (and now 7th) level shooting creatures. They could beat almost everyone, and this doesn't change in HMM3. But they are too expensive!..
And by the way, why do you say that Titans in H4 look ugly? I think they aren't worse than they were in HMM2 and 3.
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Saruman
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posted March 14, 2002 02:33 AM

Actually....

Actually, Titans were almost always bested by the Black Dragons in HOMM 3 because Black Dragons seem to have a higher average damage rate. Don't know why.... I tested it myself. I saw the entry on the "showdown" between the Titan and Black Dragon on www.BestSiteZ.com, and they just used the average damage over, and over. Then I tried. I used two barbarians. One had a Dragon, the other a Titan. It made no differance even when the Titan went first. The only time the Titan beat the Black Dragon was when it got high morale (Which happened very rarely) or did more than its average damage (Which happened even more rarely). I also tried in HOMM 3. The Archangel was always victorious. He may have less hp but the attack and defence of 20 probably gave him a bonus that 300hp wouldn't be able to top.

When I did the test with Black Dragons and Titans I was extremely shocked. Up until that moment when the Titan collapsed into a pile of glop, I had always thought that Titans were the best. I guess you have to see it to belive it!
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DarkTitan
DarkTitan


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posted March 14, 2002 10:25 AM

Whoa whoa whoa!

Hey you must be new, i'm Dark Titan and i am also a lover of my breed or species, the Titan! Now i agree that when you say the titan is getting 'weaker' but isn't that list being a bit drastic? I got to admit the Titan was around the top of h2 but it isn't 'that weak.' seriously, the titan is the strongest ranged attack in the game of h3. Yet you've ranked it 6th. Arch Devils? they are shizenhouzen (excuse my german). They wouldn't rank there, on many accounts, i have beaten AD with my titan when i do my one on one matches. Ancient Behemoths are not actually strong. many people will back me up on that (i hope) althuogh i do agree that they have one hell of a amount of health and that without that, they would surely sink to the bottom.

So as you can see, i might disagree with some of your points but not all!
Thanx




Quote:

Heroes II:
1st:Titans
2nd:Black Dragons
3rd:Bone Dragons
4thhoenix
5th:Cyclops
6th:Crusader

Heroes III:
1st:Archangels
2nd:Gold Dragons
3rd:Black Dragons
4th:Ancient Behomeths
5th:Arch Devils
6th:Titans
7th:Chaos Hydras
8th:Ghost Dragons




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Milamber
Milamber


Adventuring Hero
Magician of the greater path
posted March 16, 2002 02:08 AM
Edited By: Milamber on 15 Mar 2002


'Actually, Titans were almost always bested by the Black Dragons in HOMM 3 because Black Dragons seem to have a higher average damage rate. Don't know why.... I tested it myself. I saw the entry on the "showdown" between the Titan and Black Dragon on www.BestSiteZ.com, and they just used the average damage over, and over. Then I tried. I used two barbarians. One had a Dragon, the other a Titan. It made no differance even when the Titan went first. The only time the Titan beat the Black Dragon was when it got high morale (Which happened very rarely) or did more than its average damage (Which happened even more rarely). I also tried in HOMM 3. The Archangel was always victorious. He may have less hp but the attack and defence of 20 probably gave him a bonus that 300hp wouldn't be able to top.'

yes i also found this out when i tested them, then i tested heroes II and it was completely the opposite it is just "Grrrrrr" annoying what 3DO and NWC *%#$@!& did "damn".

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Milamber
Milamber


Adventuring Hero
Magician of the greater path
posted March 16, 2002 02:11 AM

underated

Hey Thats True i think i did under rate them a
little bit maybe they should be fourth or fifth
but yeah i suppose. (good post dark titan) :0

i am new and i would like to ask ive seen these golden stars around alot what are they for and how do you get them.

thankyou.
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


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local pirate
posted March 16, 2002 01:23 PM

if you can manage to get the golden bow, have tactics, and have recanter's cloak (to avoid meteor shower), titans are better than archangels.

happened to me one ToH game.  Map = the arena.  16 titans shoot down 20 mighty gorgons each round ... got morale often too  

btw, titans are better than arch devils in almost all scenarios.  the arch devil may win 1on1, but the 200 HP is much easier to kill with lightning bolt, meteor shower, or implosion.

believe it or not, titans are easier to get than arch angels ... that is if you don't buy any other troops (like nagas)
titans = 15w / 15o / 40gem / 30,000 gold
arch angels = 20gem / 20crys / 20sulf / 20merc / 40,000 gold
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god_boy
god_boy


Known Hero
posted April 13, 2002 05:19 AM

i don't think that the titan's shooting ability has played a large part in this discussion yet. Let's assume one player had titans and another had an equal number of black dragons (those two are most often compared to each other). Even though the dragons might beat the titans one on one, titans have the advantage when in combat with multiple stacks of lower level creatures, especially slower ones, because they don't have to go right into the heart of the battle to do damage.

For example, lets say that the titans/black dragons were battling several stacks of dendroids. As soon as the black dragons attack the first stack, they will be bound down and the other stacks will gangbang on the poor dragons. With titans, however, they can can have at least three shots before the dendroids reach them, and even then, because of the titans' speed, they can race to the other side of the combat screen and begin shooting again. There is no opportunity for the denroids to gang up on the titans (unless there are snowloads of them and they spread out - not an AI tactic)

As you can see, I don't think that creatures should be ranked just on the outcome of a one on one battle but their capability against all the other creatures as well.
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